Final Minutes of the Network Operations Subcommittee Meeting
October 17, 1995,
The meeting was called to order by Mark Nilles at 10:05 am. A joint meeting of NOS and
Data Management and Analysis was held for the first two agenda items only.
Chairman: Mark Nilles
Vice Chair: Kenni James
Secretary: John Gordon
The meeting agenda is listed in Attachment
Impact of dropping T (trace), WA (water added), and DA (dry added) sample analyses- John
Gordon presented an analysis of the impact of dropping WA and T samples on seasonal and
annual volume weighted and deposition rates. Gordon assessed long and short term impacts
both an overall and site specific basis. A subset of 80 sites with a least 10 years of
record was used to evaluate impacts on an overall basis. The long-term records for two
semi-arid sites and the annual record for one Midwestern site with a large number of WA
samples were recalculated to estimate maximum site specific impacts. The impact is highly
variable from one season to the next and overall the impact from semi-arid sites will be
more significant then on sites that normally receive abundant precipitation. Seasonal
differences between the historical database and the WA-censored database at times exceeded
30 percent. On an overall basis, when median volume weighted concentrations or deposition
rates were recalculated with WA values set to missing, there was little change indicating
that dropping WA analyses will not introduce a large step function into the database when
median deposition or volume weighted concentrations are calculated. View a table summarizing the overall
impact of eliminating WA analyses in Attachment B.
Paul Kapinos noted that if the number of sites in the network does not decline, we can
continue doing WA, T, and DA analysis. Luther Smith stated his preference that the network
keep was and T's and drop DA's. Dossett seconded. Before a vote was taken Wotowa voiced
support for DA's. Wotowa said the DA samples are an important source of QA information and
he would like DAs kept in some form - amend motion. Robin Sheely asked how long have DAs
been collected, said to look at past to evaluate impact. Wotawa - control chart for DAs
would work. Boweresox has indicated total of 25% of the weekly samples are DA, WA, or T
samples. Rather than diluting low volume samples with 50 ml DI and analyzing for all
analytes, it was proposed that certain parameters such as SO4, NO3, Ca, etc. be identified
as priority analytes that would be analyzed from samples with 10-35 ml volume until the
sample is used up. Little support for this approach was voiced. Dave Albin from
Environment New Brunswick said that the chemistry of WA samples is important for modeling
purposes. Low volume samples represent peak concentrations in many instances and these are
needed for some models.
The final motion: The request to retain WA's and DA's in some form will be referred
to Technical and Executive Committees for their consideration.
Motion passed, but not unanimously.
Evaluation of a two-week sampling interval- Mark Nilles
A paired non-parametric statistical test was used to evaluate differences between one
and two week samples at eight NADP/NTN sites for all analytes. Except for pH and
conductance, two week samples generally had slightly higher analyte concentrations values
than one week samples, however median differences were seldom greater than a few percent.
The two week sample volumes were generally less than the cumulative volumes from
consecutive one week samples. pH and conductance were not statitically different for the 2
week samples compared to the one week samples.
A change to two week samples would not introduce a large step function in the NADP/NTN
data set. Nilles will continue the statistical analysis. View the slides for the one-week
vs two-week analysis in Attachment C.
Lee Maull remarked that in wet areas like south Florida, a two week sample collection
period would result in frequent overflows because the 13 liter bucket is not sufficient
for two weeks. Frisch raised concern about losing long periods of data- lose one sample
for 1/2 month and have double data loss. Kapinos added that the operator would still visit
the site weekly to make sure everything appeared to be operating correctly but not collect
Sheely is concerned with variability, seasons and sites. He wants to continue this
discussion in the spring.
Wotowa would like to see impact of one week, two week and one month sampling. Input
from Effects Committee desired.
Volume protocol not discussed. Dossett talked about his analysis of CAPMON (a daily
network) and NADP/NTN data completeness which he did for a poster presented at this
meeting. During the winter the CAPMON collects only about 15% more precipitation yet
qualifies about 50% more of its data than the NADP/NTN. Dossett speculated the difference
in qualified data may be related to the sampling intervals used by each network. It was
decided to ask Effects Committee to put this issue on an agenda for the spring meeting.
Approval of minutes from spring meeting- Mark Nilles
Motion to approve minutes passed unanimously.
Motor Box redesign- Richard Flagler
Flagler has talked to the president and designer of the equipment. Prototypes were not
developed as of August. ARS Services finally delivered a prototype in late September.
Features of the new motor box include: Solid state switches, a redesigned circuit control
charger with two LED indicators (green = OK and red = motor is operating), lightning
resistance, and 18V DC (greater than the 12 V for the current design, providing more
torque for moving the lid when its weighed down by ice and snow). Lid movement is also
faster under normal operating conditions, resulting in faster transfer from the dry to wet
bucket and back. CO22 and IL11 will have prototypes to test for one month. Testing
procedures have been established. After the one month test, 4 boxes will be sent to the
field for a year at CO22, AL99, NY20 and MN16. Refer to Coordination Office report (Attachment D) for details. Dossett
noted the NOS had suggested a high speed event recorder be used in the comparison, and
asked if these were being prepared for shipment to the sites. Dossett also asked if there
is a data logging system, then stated that if not there should be one. Flagler indicated
design information will be made available through the CO.
Cost estimate - $275/unit for 25 boxes or $200/unit for 100 boxes.
German collector- Rick Artz
Using grant money from the WMO, Rick Artz purchased a German wet- deposition collector
identical to the ones used in parts of Europe. This collector was evaluated in Europe and
judged best overall. The German collector cost $15,000 and is currently in transit to the
CAL for testing. Attachment E has
detailed information on the collector. A number of European site operators are going to
the CAL for a training class the week of November 6, and if the German collector arrives
on time it will be used for this class. A field study will be set up at the CAL to compare
the performance of the collector with the performance of the NADP/NTN Aerochem. Dossett
plans to perform dye/splash tests. All results are going to the ISWS for detailed
evaluation. A strain rain gage from ETI in Fort Collins is also being tested at ISWS. It
has no moving parts. A pressure transducer measures the weight of sample to convert to
volume, but it lacks an output feature. ISWS will put in a data logger to see how it
works. The strain gage costs $2,000 + interface. The gage mimics a tipping bucket raingage
output. A report on the test results for the German collector will be given at the next
Site visitation program status- Cary Eaton
EPA has funded program for the last 10 years but there are no plans to renew the
current contract which ends in April 1996. Cary Eaton plans to write a final report. A
total of 58 sites located primarily in the northeast and midwest which were scheduled for
visits this round will not be visited because of loss of funds. A total of 138 sites have
been visited under current contract, including 26 sites high altitude sites since 4/95.
Lee Maull raised the question whether site quality will degrade without visits.
Nilles remarked that some sites will probably degrade without visitation. Frisch hopes
the EPA will reverse its decision to eliminate funding for the program.
Miguel Flores proposed an agenda item for the next NOS meeting- said NOS should explore
what if scenarios for maintenance of field equipment in event funding is not restored.
Cary Eaton presented findings from the most recent round of site visits. Please refer
to Eaton's report (Attachment F) for
Backup battery issues- Scott Dossett
Dossett found no evidence for data loss due to backup batteries. Nilles remarked that
based on his contact with sites, word apparently has gotten out that back up batteries
might be a problem, and some sites are therefore reluctant to add backup batteries.
Dossett will send out a letter stating that backup batteries are not a problem as long as
they are maintained.
pH 4.9 Implementation- Kenni James
James reports that the pH 4.9 solution has been bottled and labeled and is ready to ship.
Shipment to sites will occur by early November to reduce the risk of samples freezing in
transit. Sites will be instructed to begin using the new check solution in January 1996.
James commented that some sites will probably disregard the instructions and begin using
the sample early, since this is usually the case when a protocol change occurs. Dossett
added that the CAL is taking steps to ensure the implementation of the new check solution
is consistent with the latest version of the training video.
pH 4.9 Accuracy Criteria- Kenni James
James reports that the accuracy criteria have been set at +/- .15 pH units and +/- 2
microsiemens per centimeter for specific conductance and bottles of the new solution have
been labeled with this criteria. Gordon indicated that based on recent intersite studies
with target pH values approximating 4.9, about 90 percent of the reported values could be
expected to fall within +/- .15 pH unit of the target value.
Wotowa discussed the subtle differences between the distribution shapes for intersite
studies using reference solutions with target values that are unknown to the operators and
the 4.3 check solution measurements. The distributions for both types of measurements tend
to be slightly skewed, but in opposite directions. Nilles asked what the new intersite
accuracy criteria are for a pH 4.9 solution and Wotowa replied 4.79 to 5.07. Nilles
remarked that this range is slightly larger than the +/- .15 pH units for the new check
solution, and that it seems reasonable to have a slightly wider tolerance range for
intersite solutions which are blind to the operator than for a check solution with known
values. James added that the new criteria for the check solution could be re-evaluated in
a few months after we have data indicating how sites are actually doing measuring the new
Rain-gage refurbishment- Richard Flagler
Flagler informed NOS that the person who refurbished Rain gages for the NADP/NTN for
many years has passed away and a new person is doing rain gage refurbishment. Flagler
indicates the work by the new person appears to be satisfactory. Frisch said that a
provision for reimbursement needs to be added. Robertson replied that such a provision
Dossett made the motion that the proposed rain gage contract be adopted. Frisch
seconded the motion, which passed unanimously
(Refer to Attachment D for
details on the new contract)
Update to NADP manuals- Scott Dossett
Dossett wants to print ~50 copies of the manual and release the CO from the requirement
to wait until the entire manual is updated before printing copies with any changes. Site
operators sometimes take the manuals with them when they resign, leaving the new operator
without one. Operators also tend to lose or misplace their manuals fairly often. The
result is ongoing requests for additional manuals, and none are available.
Dossett wants to know if we are going to push for more rapid updating of the manual,
which seems to be continually relegated to low priority status. Nilles noted that the QA
steering committee discussed a living document with 3-hole punched pages which would be
kept in a three ring binder so that individual pages can be replaced as updated pages are
Frisch made a motion to print the manual as it currently stands.
Dossett seconded the motion. Gordon noted that the manual must have the updated
information within it, not in separate memorandums that can easily be misplaced.
The motion was then amended by Flagler to print the operating manual as it stands
now, with minor updates to reflect personnel changes at the CO. Separate addendums
addressing changes in technical content will be sent with the manuals, but since the
manuals will be unbound the information can easily be integrated with the manual. The
manual will be distributed unbound in 3-hole drilled format. Updates distributed on an
as-needed basis. Motion seconded by Mark Mesarch and passed unanimously.
Sulfate and conductance bias?- Kenni James
At the last NOS meeting, James presented information on sulfate bias in percent for
1988 low and high concentration internal QC standards. At that meeting, there appeared to
be bias. Sulfate values determined at the CAL exceeded reference sample values in the late
James has studied this further and reported today a .2 mg/L difference between CAL
values and the expected values, but high & low standards deviated from the expected
values in different directions, and were not systematically biased in same direction. See
overheads prepared by James (Attachment
G). James also looked into bias for specific conductance, and found consistent bias in
the same direction (biased high) for both high and low standards. James concludes positive
bias (not that severe) for specific conductance -- one to two percent. Differences for
sulfate but not consistent so there is little evidence for sulfate bias. Nilles then
suggested we put this issue to rest with no motion.
Subsampling of archive samples- Kenni James
Subsampling policy issue - Only one request for archive samples in the past 17 years.
CAL would like to continue dealing with similar future requests on a case by case basis.
Nilles asked if there were any requests pending; James replied no. James will work on a
policy for the spring meeting with Mark Peden and others at the CAL.
Location of spring meeting- Kenni James
James is working on New Orleans as the location. March 31-April 4 is the most likely
Election of NOS secretary- Mark Nilles
Sandy Pletshet was elected secretary for the spring meeting.
Subsampling for NADP samples- Scott Dossett
Dossett asked how aggressively does NOS want to look at site subsampling issues?
Dossett estimated how many sites are currently subsampling NADP/NTN precipitation
samples collected in the Aerochems. Scott looked for occurrences where the field aliquot
exceeded 100 ml prior to 1994 and found ~14 sites where this occurred regularly. Many of
these sites are excellent sites, producing high quality data. Last spring Kapinos raised
the issue of whether to police subsampling at sites. Dossett noted many sites have been
subsampling since the beginning of program. Dossett remains concerned about possible
contamination problems. He reminded everyone that the issue of whether publicizing a
subsampling policy would encourage more subsampling needs to be addressed.
Frisch asked if only sites asking for information on the NADP/NTN subsampling policy
are informed of the policy or is it public information. Dossett replied that it is
currently not public information. Dossett then asked what should be done. Kapinos wants
Dossett to find out that sites are doing with the subsamples after they remove them, and
whether any sites are shorting NADP/NTN of its required sample volume by removing the
sample volume they need for their side projects without concern for the sample volume
needs of the network. Dossett thought this might have occurred at one site, PR20, but did
not know of any others. Dossett then said the NADP/NTN should be flexible, user friendly
when it come to subsampling requests. He wants to issue a policy to all Network sites on
subsampling, thinks it could stimulate interest in NADP. Nilles interjected that the issue
is that we want to accommodate some subsampling but do we need to market it. Kapinos - We
have a right to know what other research is being done. It should not be a secret. Paul
also remarked that the NADP/NTN should never get less sample volume from the sites than is
needed and that some sites might be taking subsamples incorrectly.
Robertson made the motion that the subsampling policy be publicized by sending a
letter to the site operators and supervisors from Scott Dossett, and detailed information
on all existing subsampling currently done at sites will be gathered. Dossett will bring a
draft of the letter to the spring NOS meeting for review. Second by Dossett. Passed
The meeting adjourned at 2:04 p.m.